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Human rights group condemns GCC ‘gay test’ proposal

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Recently proposed draft legislation that would ban homosexual and transgender expats from moving to the Gulf after undergoing a medical examination is “outrageous” and must be rejected, the UK-based non-governmental organization Amnesty International has said.

In a statement released on Friday, Philip Luther, the group’s Middle East and North Africa Director, said:

“This proposal will only further stigmatize people who already suffer extremely high levels of discrimination and abuse on the grounds of their real or perceived sexual orientation or gender identity.

Instead of continuing to discriminate against lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex individuals, authorities in Kuwait should work to ensure that people are not harassed and abused because of who they are and repeal laws that criminalize sexual acts between consenting adults.”

Amnesty is the latest in a long line of international groups that have condemned the proposal since it was introduced earlier this month by Kuwaiti Minister of Health official Dr. Yousuf Mendkar.

Mendkar was quoted by Al Rai newspaper as saying:

“Health centers conduct the routine medical check to assess the health of the expatriates when they come into the GCC countries. However, we will take stricter measures that will help us detect gays who will be then barred from entering Kuwait or any of the GCC member states.”

Because Qatar is holding the World Cup in 2022, it has also been roped into the controversy, with LGBT groups saying FIFA should cancel the games here to avoid “homophobic discrimination.”

Homosexual activity is illegal in all almost all GCC nations, including Qatar. According to the US State Department’s Qatar fact sheet, “those convicted may be sentenced to lashings, a prison sentence, and/or deportation.”

But the Qatar 2022 Supreme Committee has maintained that everyone is welcome to attend the Cup, though FIFA president Sepp Blatter drew criticism in 2010 after joking that gay fans “should refrain from any sexual activities” while here.

The proposal’s merits will be debated at a Gulf Cooperation Council meeting in November, Amnesty states.

Thoughts?

Credit: Photo by mktp

Note: This article has been corrected to reflect that homosexual activity is not banned across the Gulf – it is legal in Bahrain for consenting adults over the age of 21.

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MIMH
MIMH
7 years ago

Well what did they expect. I still waiting to hear how they will detect these gays? Will they ask them they if they like interior design and enjoy a quiche rather than a steak? Just when you think the GCC can’t make themselves a bigger laughing stock around the world, there is always one minister than can go that one step further……

osamaalassiry
osamaalassiry
7 years ago
Reply to  MIMH

Totally unrelated to Qatar, but we were pulled in because of the world cup…

MIMH
MIMH
7 years ago
Reply to  osamaalassiry

What this minister said is not related to Qatar, however homosexuality is illegal in Qatar hence Qatar got pulled in

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago
Reply to  MIMH

Again WHY distance us from this law!

osamaalassiry
osamaalassiry
7 years ago
Reply to  MIMH

It will stay illegal for the foreseeable future… It won’t become just become legal because of the “international pressure” from the press ….

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago
Reply to  osamaalassiry

It will stay illegal forever INSHALLAH….3assa ma shar??!!

Abdulrahman
Abdulrahman
7 years ago
Reply to  MIMH

To be clear, certain “homosexaul” acts are illegal, but being a homosexual by itself isn’t really a crime.

Annon
Annon
7 years ago
Reply to  Abdulrahman

You’re right about that,or else jails in the GCC would be pretty full! The ‘boyat’ phenomenon must be another figment of western media imagination!

Abdulrahman
Abdulrahman
7 years ago
Reply to  Annon

Anon, I just had a very disturbing thought; if we do send all the gays to jail, won’t they “infect” the ungay inmates with their homosexuality?! Then when those inmates get out of jail, they’ll infect their own families too. Before you know it, it’ll be “Night of the Dancing Flamingos” in Doha!

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago
Reply to  osamaalassiry

Why should it be unrelated to Qatar..Furthermore why the apologetics??…Qatar is a MUSLIM country. It is the rights of the muslim people of Qatar to have their country protected from further contamination. I am a Qatari and I lend my voice in thanking the Kuwaiti minister of Health in having the kahunas to law down the law. We should follow suit

osamaalassiry
osamaalassiry
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

Just commenting, this is about a Kuwaiti speaking about the GCC in general… It’s not directly “about Qatar”.

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago
Reply to  osamaalassiry

Well it should be about Qatar too, and it actually is…We don’t owe anyone any favours for being who we are

desertCard
desertCard
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

You really are unbelievable. Maybe a closet queen?

Annon
Annon
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

Fully agree with you,because really these homosexuals are ALL infidel expats. I mean there is absolutely no guy on guy action happening amongst GCC nationals anywhere in the region & anyone claiming otherwise is just another expat trying to make the GCC look bad.

Annon
Annon
7 years ago
Reply to  osamaalassiry

The proposal was made by the Kuwaitis but is to be discussed at a GCC expat labour meeting in November & if agreed upon will be put into practice,Qatar is very much a part of the GCC last time I checked,so on the contrary,very much related to Qatar,as much as it’s related to all other GCC countries.

Rapha31
Rapha31
7 years ago
Reply to  MIMH

They examine the butt hole. I was told they were doing that in Qatar before after rounding up suspected gays.

Ivan Brendieswski
Ivan Brendieswski
7 years ago
Reply to  Rapha31

And what is the test for lesbianism? Presumably neither vaginal nor anal examination would be relevant. Seriously? How do you test for ‘gayness’?

Abdulrahman
Abdulrahman
7 years ago

Gaydar?

Abdulrahman
Abdulrahman
7 years ago

Nobody really cares about lesbians here. Most of these people don’t consider it “real” sex if it doesn’t involve a wee wee :p

Ivan Brendieswski
Ivan Brendieswski
7 years ago
Reply to  Abdulrahman

“These people…” Hmmm, got me wondering about your country club status now.

Abdulrahman
Abdulrahman
7 years ago

Hypothetically speaking Ivan, if I’m not a Qatari, what nationality / ethnicity, etc. do you think I am?

Ivan Brendieswski
Ivan Brendieswski
7 years ago
Reply to  Abdulrahman

I think that you Grand Duke Atreau of Unblar who had to flee the Discorna Prima system after the Tribble invasion. I am confident that with the help of the rebel alliance you will be able to return to your homeworld.

Annon
Annon
7 years ago
Reply to  Abdulrahman

Ah that explains why the boyat phenomenon isn’t considered homosexuality! Because girl on girl action doesn’t count! hahaha! priceless! 🙂 Thank you for clarifying that!

Abdulrahman
Abdulrahman
7 years ago
Reply to  Annon

Remember, only the “uke” is gay, but not the “seme”.

Abdulrahman
Abdulrahman
7 years ago

“How do you test for ‘gayness’?” I could teach you, but I have to charge ^_^

Ivan Brendieswski
Ivan Brendieswski
7 years ago
Reply to  Abdulrahman

HA! Good one.

DavidRSS8
DavidRSS8
7 years ago
Reply to  Rapha31

Yeah, like a bunch of expat guys are going to line up and bend over at the medical screening.

And what if the guy is the pitcher in the relationship rather than the catcher?

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago
Reply to  MIMH

Actually WE are not a laughing stock around the world, just to you and your likes that troll these sites attacking Qatar, the Gulf and our morality which thankfully is so very different to yours…Again Many non-muslim people share our views. Your views and those of the gay society are the minority.

desertCard
desertCard
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

I’d say you’re the troll

MIMH
MIMH
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

Well people like you don’t help the cause. Will you step forward to screen for gays at the airport and get your hands dirty? Well so to speak……

Annon
Annon
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

Because there are ABSOLUTELY NO gays amongst the GCC male population. Discrimination? What’s that?

fullmoon07
fullmoon07
7 years ago
Reply to  MIMH

ahahah!!! you are hilarious!

Ivan Brendieswski
Ivan Brendieswski
7 years ago
Reply to  MIMH

I don’t know, the Kuwaiti diplomat caught pissing on Number 10 Downing street while drunk a few years ago was pretty freaking hilarious! Dr. Mendkar doesn’t even rate on the same scale as that guy. None of them match Baghdad Bob imho though.

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago

LOL Pitiful ad hominem attack

desertCard
desertCard
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

Pot meet kettle

Ivan Brendieswski
Ivan Brendieswski
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

Pitful, maybe? Ad hominem? Nope.

Guest
Guest
7 years ago
Reply to  MIMH

Okay, where’d my comment go? In this new system, if the mods pull a comment is there a notice, or do I just not understand it yet?

DavidRSS8
DavidRSS8
7 years ago
Reply to  MIMH

The test is probably to identify those men who spend excess amounts of time preening themselves–meticulously adjusting their clothing, cologne, hair, facial hair, etc. Oh, wait a minute . . . that’s most of the young Qatari males.

Not quite sure about the female test.

Annon
Annon
7 years ago
Reply to  DavidRSS8

Or ”step aside into this room,face the wall,pull your pants down & bend over please”!

Abdulrahman
Abdulrahman
7 years ago
Reply to  Annon

Finally, where have you been? 😉

Hind
Hind
7 years ago

There’s a big number of homosexual nationals in the GCC. The irony.

Susan
Susan
7 years ago
Reply to  Hind

The number of guys here who are on the down low is immense (local sensibilities are such that as long as you’re ‘pitching’ and not ‘catching’, you’re not seen as gay). And that, coupled with the society’s restrictions on socializing with the opposite sex, is what makes the GCC such an attractive destination for many gays. You can walk down the street holding hands with your partner(s), invite them over to your apartment, and nobody bats an eye. It’s just two guys hanging out. 🙂

Abdulrahman
Abdulrahman
7 years ago
Reply to  Susan

(local sensibilities are such that as long as you’re ‘pitching’ and not ‘catching’, you’re not seen as gay) Why Susan, I’m really impressed! You’ve summed up rather nicely. It’s always very pleasing to find an expat who actually gets it. In fact, many Qataris don’t really get this point 🙂

Turbohampster
Turbohampster
7 years ago
Reply to  Abdulrahman

I heard a very funny conversation between a Saudi guy and his American colleague at a bar in Dubai once :-).
Basically the barman was quite obviously gay and the Saudi guy shouted at him saying he was disgusting and he couldn’t accept any drinks from him as he was gay!
His American colleague kindly suggested to the Saudi that he shouldn’t talk to the barman like that and asked him what his problem was?
To which the Saudi guy replied I hate gays they are disgusting, we have this guy back in Saudi that lets me and my friends ‘pitch” and he “catches” :-0
The American guy nearly fell of his bar stool laughing and spent the next 20mins trying to explain to the Saudi guy he was Gay lol

Abdulrahman
Abdulrahman
7 years ago
Reply to  Turbohampster

ROFL XD Yep, that’s us for ya!!!

Annon
Annon
7 years ago
Reply to  Susan

They keep forgetting the concept of HUMAN nature,IRRESPECTIVE of ethnicity,race or religion. Interaction & attraction between the genders is HUMAN nature,suppress it & it’s going to manifest itself somehow or the other,the ‘other’ being of a higher proportion in this region because of that suppression,so it’s different here in that a significant % of homosexual men in this region may not actually be gay but have gotten used to it simply because it’s the easier way to get some. Interesting case study,if someone could go through with it.

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago
Reply to  Hind

Yes..they don’t need encouragement… We have the Atheed, a state led organisation to reform the gays

fullmoon07
fullmoon07
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

you don’t reform gays, but you can reform your mind! What you say is brutal.

Ivan Brendieswski
Ivan Brendieswski
7 years ago
Reply to  fullmoon07

Indeed. At least sexual orientation is not a choice, unlike Ms. Bestow’s attitudes.

fullmoon07
fullmoon07
7 years ago

ahaha good one Ivan!

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago
Reply to  fullmoon07

Glad to oblige 😉

Ivan Brendieswski
Ivan Brendieswski
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

Umm, do you reform brunettes? Do you reform the short? How is that whole reform thing working out?

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago

Of course gays can be reformed, and many have already been successfully reformed…But you’re probably an evolutionist, hens you would sooner blame it on the ‘gay gene’
You lot try to get creative when it comes to concocting some sort of b.s to back up the perversion you so eagerly defend…Predictable

Abdulrahman
Abdulrahman
7 years ago

It’s true Ivan, I used to be gay but they cured me. I used to love to stare at the ripped muscular bodies of athletes, with their bronze skin and big gorgeous pecks, sweat coming down their beautifully shaped backs, and…. I’m sorry, what was I trying to say here :p

Win
Win
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

How do you reform a gay person ?

Annon
Annon
7 years ago
Reply to  Win

Get busted getting some,the state led Atheed will take care of the rest. You’ll come out a new man! (don’t believe they’re open to women just yet,in keeping with standard gender discrimination in this region but that may change or maybe not.)

Annon
Annon
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

Gay reform,now there’s a step in the right direction. Progressing to a modern society quite swiftly I see.

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago

WELL DONE! KUWAIT! This should have been done a long time ago, I hope Qatar follows suit…Qatar is a Muslim country, we have different values and morality then that of the non-muslim the world.
Straight people welcome to Qatar..actually strike that – straight people with a sense similar morality and appreciation that our safe country is a product of our muslim identity will feel happy here. Others should just stay away.
We don’t need to embrace the gay factor to host the world cup…its called world cup because it caters to the entire globe including muslims, which amount to 2 billion of the worlds population.
So quit trying to twist us into a reflection of yourselves..I remind you that a huge majority of non muslims share our views.
This minority gay group is demanding more attention than they should…lets ignore them and play ball already!

fullmoon07
fullmoon07
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

yeah, you are so right! You should start with your own people then….there are plenty among Qataris!
What you say is out of this world: you can be a foreigner tourist, gay and respect the local culture. Never thought about it?

Ivan Brendieswski
Ivan Brendieswski
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

You have made some interesting assertions. Any data to back them up?

Abdulrahman
Abdulrahman
7 years ago

Oh you want facts, do you? For your information, an American congresswoman who happens to be a member of the Science Committee also believes that homosexuality can be cured. In fact, she runs her own clinic for that purpose. This great woman is as intelligent on the outside as she’s beautiful on the inside; her name is… Michele Bachmann. Who’s stupid now?

Turbohampster
Turbohampster
7 years ago
Reply to  Abdulrahman

I don’t think anyone would deny that every country has its fair share of idiots 🙂

Just unfortunately this one happens to have power 🙁

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago
Reply to  Turbohampster

No actually..unfortunately this country is not full of idiots, we are full of people like you…I think we should also screen of vindictive maliciousness along side gayness when we allow you lot to filter in.

Turbohampster
Turbohampster
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

Haha its a bit ironic to call someone an idiot, on the basis of a basic comprehensive mistake!

I suggest you re-read my post, where did I imply Qatar is full of idiots???

The irony doesn’t stop there with you though, its quite funny to hear you shout down everyone saying how we should respect your opinion. When you you quite clearly won’t listen to anyone else’s :-0

Ever heard the saying respect is earned?

I suggest you go get some salsa for that chip on your shoulder

Win
Win
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

wow !!! These lots contribute a lot to Qatar. You are opening up a whole new can of worms. It’s people like you who give Qatar a bad name. Qatar is not what it is today because of you and the locals alone. Without the expats and locals working together…where would Qatar be ? Have some gratitude … show some gratitude … everyone is god’s creation.

Ivan Brendieswski
Ivan Brendieswski
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

Seems to me that in many ways ‘vindictive maliciousness’ would be a lot easier to test for than sexual orientation.

Abdulrahman
Abdulrahman
7 years ago
Reply to  Turbohampster

lol, that was meant as joke. As in, ” If you believe homosexuality can be cured, you’re like Michele Bachmann”. 🙂

She also believe in intelligent design and not evolution, which is funny, since she herself is a good argument for unintelligent design :p

Turbohampster
Turbohampster
7 years ago
Reply to  Abdulrahman

Dont worry it is indeed ridiculous to say you can “cure” someone!

As for unintelligent design “no comment” haha

Ivan Brendieswski
Ivan Brendieswski
7 years ago
Reply to  Abdulrahman

I was referring more to her assertion that she represents the opinion of the majority of Qataris, but I’ll take any proof that sexual orientation can be changed. I’d have to do a search, but there was something recently about an organization in the US closing down after admitting it couldn’t be done. On another topic, I love the Bachmann quote – can you take credit it did you lift it from someone else?

desertCard
desertCard
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

Wow are you serious? There are many Qatari homosexuals here too. Deporting them a well? So homosexuality is only a “western” thing? The gay community is not demanding more attention at all. They just need to know where to line up for the “gay” test. LOL Your post shows total ignorance and a stone age view that is so widespread here.

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago
Reply to  desertCard

What do you claim to know about Qatar? It is your culture, your carefully worded and fully loaded education coupled with YOUR cultures tv series like Glee, The new normal, Modern family that are spreading your sickness to our lands. Gayness was unheard of 3 decades ago, and only on the rise because of parasites in our country like you. You contradict yourself, If I was a ‘closet queen’ like you say I am, I would be fighting for gay rights alongside you. So, yes, I am very serious, I am almost a grandmother, I am Qatari, I am muslim and i more importantly I reflect the views of my people, people who are not part of this discussion or on this website that allows a handful of people like yourselves to spew even more toxicity into our country. The stone age you accuse me of is actually enlightenment afforded to me because of ISLAM. Islam is the religion of Qatar, a country you should not live in, now I suggest you crawl into the vodka bottle you came of.

Abdulaziz Al-Sulaiti
Abdulaziz Al-Sulaiti
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

With due all respect, you do not reflect the views of your people,
you are merely presenting your own. I am Qatar, and I am Muslim and more
importantly I disagree with everything you said. A “gay detector” is
just stupid and shouldn’t even take place, How are they going to conduct
such an examination to begin with? and why is this test taking stricter
measures against the expats? Are we trying to say that there are no
homosexuals in our community? And all those homosexuals were brainwashed
by western TV shows such as Glee or whatever you watch? Now I have a
little challenge for you, If you proclaim homosexuality CAN be reformed
or is a choice go ahead and think about you being in a same-sex relation. GO
AHEAD, Do you think YOU WILL like it? I don’t think so, homosexuality is out there it’s not for you but it’s for someone else.

Whether gay people have chosen this “sinful lifestyle
abhorrent to God” or not, everyone should have a right to practice
whatever they believe in. Allah has given everyone the freedom to practice whatever they want and we are no one to judge people.

Honestly, there are plenty of homosexuals in Qatar and they are Qataris themselves. I did ask few people about this matter, and they’re all Qataris everyone of them said they don’t have to like it but they’re not against it at the same time, everyone is free to do whatever they like. So you my friend are just reflecting your own views only. You don’t have to LIKE it or AGREE with what they do but you don’t have to discriminate them as well. I’ve known few amazing friends of mine, and I didn’t know they were gays (They are Qataris) and when I did know after more than a decade of knowing them this HAVEN’T change anything AT ALL, guess why? because being gay or straight doesn’t change you as a person or doesn’t degrade your value in the community. You can’t fix something that is not broken.

I was taught that I should look to everyone as a flower, and I should pick the best flowers on the earth by how they smell (inner values) not by how they look like (outer look, surface) and after I’m done gathering the best flowers, I should make my own garden with them, this didn’t only teach me how to pick great friends but It taught me to accept people by their real values not by what they do such as their sexual-orientation.

I know many people will disagree and many will agree, but either ways this is what I believe in and I stand up to my own principles and beliefs.

Turbohampster
Turbohampster
7 years ago

Well said Abdulaziz

A well written coherent response, full of reason and logic in spite of such ridiculous comments

I’m sure most people are intelligent enough to realise that people like Deer Bestow with such limited and angry viewpoints don’t represent Qatar luckily!

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago
Reply to  Turbohampster

Actually, I do represent the majority of Qatari view points and i’ve been sharing this debate with people of my creed and they are appalled.
This person Abdulaziz person is either A – one of you lot masquerading as a local behind the guise of a Qatari sounding nom de plume or B – He is gay himself (with all due respect dude) and seeks solace and sanctuary amongst the non-muslim doha news posters who rally for gay Qatar.

Shout to the poster named Qatari, since you’re agreeing with him, but his ‘smelling the rosie posies’ hasn’t altered you to the probability that he is nuttier than a fruitcake… Once you connect the dots, maybe you should buzz shave his hair and send him for some military reform.

Im betting on possibility A , because when I wanted to post a response not so long ago, i got this thread is blocked…Just enough time to recoup and concoct this ‘traditional sounding qatari character’ 😉
Nice try lol

Abdulaziz Al-Sulaiti
Abdulaziz Al-Sulaiti
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

I am not someone imitating a traditional character to get my point across, and I am not gay either.

You just can’t accept the fact that there are people with different perspectives and opinions. It appears you have some issues, since giving my opinion on a matter makes me gay. lol

There’s no “anti-Qatar” propaganda here, I’m just stating my own opinion you don’t have to like but you don’t have to bash me. Either ways, I don’t really mind what you say, I wasn’t raised to respond to people like you 😉

Have a nice day, sir/ma’am/or both we’ll leave it here. You got your point across and I got mine.

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago

Then revisit the religion of Islam you claim you belong to! No where does Islamic teachings sing Kumbaya on homosexuality. You are a liar to portray we are acting within our religion to adopt tolerance towards gayness…On the flip side mainstream non muslim views that accuses islam with aggression on this issue is also myth.

What is required is a national duty to reform. Al atheed is a great initiative, Bless them for trying their best

You made no point except what is blatantly obvious. lol im guessing the invitation to take you hand in hand to the al atheed to cure your gaiety, is what scared you off tsk tsk
This always scares you guys…I don’t know why! they are there to help you!

Abdulaziz Al-Sulaiti
Abdulaziz Al-Sulaiti
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

Lol 🙂 And be scared of what? Having an opinion that you don’t agree with? It’s called a damn opinion for a reason! You have your own opinion, I have mine! THAT’S IT. It’s not hard to
understand this one, and you don’t have to call me a liar or gay because
I have an opinion. I am not a liar or gay, so how about you revisit
this Islam you belong to before calling people names?

7emdellah, I know Islam probably more than you do. At least, I’m respecting what you say and your opinions. Isn’t that’s what Islam taught you? Adab al hadith? No?

Khalas, enthena wala?? Now let’s hold hands and sing Kumbaya hahaha :p

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago

Factor your reply being an expert on Islam into your reply to my question of why Saint Lot (qawm loo6) were smited in my post to you above!

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago

When you said Allah gave mankind the freedom as you claim to live as they want, or to be tolerated by others, then please explain to me why Allah smited Saint Lott’s people? (Qawm loot) And he smited the wife of Sayidna loot when she turned to look at them?

Abdulaziz Al-Sulaiti
Abdulaziz Al-Sulaiti
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

From my observation to your replies on this website, It seems to me that you SKIP what you want and take what you want from the comments. You only read what you want to read, and comment on what you want.

I do not want to be dragged in a religious discussion but, as I clearly stated in my previous comments, this is my opinion and the verse I quoted gives mankind freedom to freely chose their religion, but at the same time I stated that It doesn’t not condone, It doesn’t tolerate the actions itself. My whole argument ignited because this detector is ridiculous and shouldn’t take place to begin with.

I would understand If there are different measurements taken such as counseling or such, but a detector is a stupid idea actually. I may not be an expert on Islam, but considering how I apply Islam in my daily life and the way I approach people is good. I don’t call myself Muslim and almost show 0% of Islam in my attitude, and my perspectives.

To answer you: Lot’s wife was cheating him, not in a sense of a relation, but she did not believe in his message and thus was condemned to the punishment with her people. Her people used to rob, rape and have sexual intercourse with the same sex. (Luwa6 and Se7aq).

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago

Yes and from this you learn that sodomy is a huge sin in islam…Allah smited all of them because of their evil acts that shake the throne of Allah. You cannot bring Allah into a conversation that is about blasphemous acts and discuss choice of religion, two different issues! You cannot say that its ok to accept homosexuality and then say Allah gave me freedom of choice…with choices come repercussions. What you should also learn here is that imra at lot (wife of lot) although was asked to not look at the smiting of the evil doers, but she did out of this same empathy you adopt and she was smote.
Whichever you fall into, the evil doers or the sympathisers accepting perversion or are one of them…take heed that you will be judged by Allah, I suggest you find out what the punishment is…and also that Allahs forgiveness is abundant.
Tomorrow is Arafa and Hajj, these are holy days, you should consider my advice. Counselling is available and hope is there.

Abdulaziz Al-Sulaiti
Abdulaziz Al-Sulaiti
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

Did it really shook Allah’s throne? Last time I checked there’s no such a thing in Sunnah or Qur’an I’d like to have a haidth or something. Anyways, I am very confused as why are you telling me that there’s counseling and hope for me.

Really, are you telling me that because of having such an opinion I should probably get some help? However, the usage of religion was due to your comments in the first place. Or are you trying to say (which in fact you did say) I am gay because I have my own opinion in this specific matter? Come on, you should know better since you seem to be an expert in this field that you shouldn’t be accusing people falsely lol..

Thanks for your efforts though 😉

Win
Win
7 years ago

And what does Islam say about people who tarnish another person ( such as calling a person gay or saying disparaging remarks ) without proof in accordance with Islamic shariah ? Maybe … Deer Bestow should look this up before he/she/heshe preaching.

Qatari
Qatari
7 years ago

I completely agree with some point you stated, however there should be punishment to the local gay community. for example in the mid 70s-80s the prime minister at the time gave an order to police officers to keep an eye out for young expectant gays by their interest or body movements, and once they found some they would buzz cut their hair, take them to military school or a type of boot camp until they were fixed, the gay population dropped immensely, as a muslim if we see these types of people we should advise them and if they took it alhamdulilla if they dont then we should go to a person of higher status in the law hierarchy i.e. a judge or a sheikh which they will advise what to do next. as for you as an individual you do not need to associate with them but just do whats right.

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago
Reply to  Qatari

That worked in the past…now more preventative measures should be taken. The first step is to recognise the culprits. The major one is lack of 3aqeeda (faith) Almost everything is being shaped intentionally to dismantle the family unity and basis of an islamic foundation.
Once these infiltrations are identified for what they are, then reflective practice of how to reinstate these morals into our youth. These people here want us to believe that gayness is a state of being, rather than a condition. At the same time they want to attack islam and label it as non-tolerant of THEIR morality…What must be understood is that we are different, the concerns of our youth is ours not theirs
Islam and the teachings of Rassoul Allah Mohammed peace be upon him, affords us the understanding of human nature, unlike what these people may never know, Islam is humane and forgiving and appoints responsibility of those in our hierarchy to take preventative measures to protect and reform our gender confused generation. The foreigners should butt out and I suggest sharpen their intellect with issues such as why the Council of Foreign Relations and AIPAC controls them and why the federal reserve , a privately owned organization is printing up money and causing inflation that lead them to come and seek jobs here.
But then that would require them to actually be able to think..while they assume that they represent the epitome of intellect and development when they rally for gay rights and evolution. Pityful

Win
Win
7 years ago
Reply to  Qatari

Did they gay population drop or did it go underground ? There is a huge difference between being cured and being discreet due to possible prosecution ? And in islam … is it sufficient to accuse, suspect and punish a person just because of their hair length…how they move…talk ? Is this sufficient proof to accuse a person of being gay ? if not ..then … those who accuse are committing a sin…or am I wrong here ?

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago

“If you proclaim homosexuality CAN be reformed or is a choice go ahead and think about you being in a same-sex relation. GO
AHEAD, Do you think YOU WILL like it? I don’t think so, homosexuality is out there it’s not for you but it’s for someone else.” …..errrr i’m guessing homosexuality is not for me, but reading between the mini rant and flower picking prose that gayness may be for YOU? 😉

“Allah has given everyone the freedom to practice whatever they want and we are no one to judge people”

Allah condones gayness….are you serious?! You just lost all credibility, not just by me but probably even by the standards of the islam hating crowd reading that bases their accurate arguments on the FACT that Gayness is abhorrent in islam.

Abdulaziz Al-Sulaiti
Abdulaziz Al-Sulaiti
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

” …..errrr i’m guessing homosexuality is not for me, but reading
between the mini rant and flower picking prose that gayness may be for
YOU? ;)” – You can’t even have a serious discussion without inserting some “sarcasm”, or let’s say you’re trying to act like a smartass with your so-called “points” and “facts”? I will not respond to what you said, because I was raised in a good environment and was taught not to reply to those kind of hatred comments. Again, this just REFLECTS who you truly are my friend 😉 There was no rant anyways, just me presenting my own opinion regarding this topic.

I never said that Allah condones gayness, do not take my words out of the context in order to make yourself look credible or “logical”. I solely said that It’s a basic human right to practice what everyone believes in and they should not be discriminated for their beliefs. Is this a hard thing to understand? I don’t think I can make it any simpler for you, If you have a hard time understanding what I’m saying, then you probably shouldn’t be in here talking about this and presenting your own views on behalf of other people.

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago

Then what on earth are you saying!!…If you are saying that Allah does NOT condone gayness, but you say that Allah ALLOWS you to practice ‘basic human rights’ aka sodomy, then your views, are just as confused as your sexual orientation. Call 180 Alatheed, it is a state lead organization to reform gayness, they will help you

Abdulaziz Al-Sulaiti
Abdulaziz Al-Sulaiti
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

You are the one with the confused views, unfortunately. I’ll give you a simple example I hope you can understand though I doubt it..

Allah gave everyone a right to chose their religion, believe or disbelieve, for instance “And say, “The truth is
from your Lord, so whoever wills – let him believe; and
whoever wills – let him disbelieve.” 18:29 – Now, Allah has given you the freedom to whether to believe or not, does that CONDONE the disbelievers and make them forgiven? Nope, now that’s what I’m saying. I didn’t say Allah condones gays but I did say everyone is bond to his/her own beliefs and you just can’t change that because It goes against yours. Homosexuality is a punishable offense in Islam, but It’s no different than stealing, fornication..etc. Disbelieving is the biggest sin in Islam, yet Allah has given you the freedom whether to believe or not BUT THAT DOES NOT CONDONE IT. I don’t know If you see what I’m trying to say or not.

Religiously, fornication, stealing, swearing, or same-sex intercourse are all sins. So why are you making a fuss out of this exact offense? By nature all human are sinful, and again you are nobody to judge them. I am a sinner, you are a sinner, homosexuals are sinners, everybody is. So instead we point out what others do and say they’re doing something wrong and they should be punished bla bla bla. Let’s look at ourselves, are we perfect enough to judge the others? No, we are not! So let’s just not stick our noses into their businesses and let them have their life the way they want it.

At the end, I believe everyone is free to chose his/her own religion, and lifestyle just like how we want our own without anyone interfering in our choices. It’s as simple as this.

Do not try to twist my words, and try to have a civilized discussion.

For your information: Al Adeid isn’t only an organization to “reform gayness”, It’s a social rehabilitation center, It’s more of an organization to monitor the society’s stability in terms of mental conditions. Perhaps you can call them and see If they can help your condition, It’s worsening every time you post something. Lol 😉

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago

Your argument is why am I making a fuss over the sin of gayness when many swear and steal etc?
Simply because a muslim should always correct him/herself. Judge yourself before Allah judges you. What you are doing in effect, is leaching of other peoples sins in a collective manner to affirm that youre not the only one..This unfortunately doesn’t dilute the magnitude of your individual sin.
If having me check my self in to Al atheed for my ‘condition’ according to you, is what it takes for you to join them and have yourself gayness cured, believe me I will.

We both go to Al Atheed: Deer Bestow, A morally sound social reformer versus Abdulaziz Al-Sulaity the gay man (I still doubt you’re Qatari) Who do you think will spend the night there, me or you? 😉

Alatheed works on Islamic principals…not the type of non-sense you are peddling here

Abdulaziz Al-Sulaiti
Abdulaziz Al-Sulaiti
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

You’re calling me gay because I find this idea and your statements to be ridiculous? Fun.

No one will spend the night there, everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion regardless If you like it or not.

Annon
Annon
7 years ago

Now there’s a REAL response to this. At the risk of repeating myself,this country & this region needs more nationals like yourself Abdulaziz. Live & let live,really how hard can it be? Respect.

Win
Win
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

Another foreign conspiracy ? Get your head out of the sand !

Win
Win
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

You seem extremely upset about all this ? If you do not mind me asking … is someone in your family suspected of being gay ? I know alot of people who react like this to topics concerning gays because they have a family member or someone close who is gay and they do not know what to do about it.

Shaikh Farhan
Shaikh Farhan
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

I like this troll…

Ivan Brendieswski
Ivan Brendieswski
7 years ago
Reply to  Shaikh Farhan

What is odd though is that she seems to have issues with this website, yet I can’t I really fathom why. She talks about it spewing ‘toxicity’ into ‘her’ country. Yet it isn’t like it is a public radio broadcast, the people who are on the site have chosen to be here and to participate. The same with the TV shows mentioned, they can only be accessed by those who choose to get them on satellite. Seems to be the concerns about ‘toxicity’ entering Qatar are better aimed at Qataris. Any ‘toxicity’ infecting folks on this site is through their own choice.

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago

Actually this site is worse than radio, because unlike radio, either you hear it or you don’t; on Doha News what is written and commented on, this audacious Islamic witch hunt led by tourists in MY country…what you lot lobby for, a total disintegration of our religion, tradition, identity and culture, what you, insinuate, contrive, and conspire is archived to contaminate and reform us…So YES!!! 😀 When I have time, I like to see what ripples you lot try to create..What is it you say in the lodge ” to the east’ 😉

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٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

You obviously have very strong opinions about this subject and expressing them is your right. Having read a number of your posts on other topics you main issue seems to be with the west and it’s influence on Qatar and the perceived notion that all expats hate Qatar and Qataris, again if that is your belief then that is your choice. However I would like to point out that many of the readers and contributes on this site very much enjoy the input and insight from the Qatari posters and perhaps if you were a little less aggressive with your posts then you may actually enjoy an intellectual exchange with the community without all the hostility. I can understand that it is often difficult to express yourself without emotion getting the better of you but if you were to at least try I think you will be both surprised and pleased with the results.

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago

Actually, you’re wrong. If you picked up on what and whom I address in my past posts, You will find that I don’t hate expats, on the contrary I hold many in high regards, some of who I call dear friends and mentors over the years, I have learnt so much from them and they too have learnt a great deal from me. They are of a different class to those whom I have addressed here, their education an asset to them, it enhances their conscience, they are in Qatar with a spirit of adventure and are richly cultured in their worldly appreciation of our differences..their relationship with Qatar is built on respect.
Sadly I cannot say the same of nouveau riche foreigners that have found doha news a platform to insult Qatar with their snide shallow remarks, always regurgitating the same hatred and intolerance and disrespect of my religion, my fellow nationals and our traditions and culture and the country that hosts them. I hope this makes things clearer for you

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٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

It does yes, thank you. However I would ask rather than fuelling the fire would it not be more productive to express your opinions in such a way that it promotes discussion rather than hostility? People generally tend to listen to others opinions and take them more seriously when their text is written in a more congenial manner.

Anyway I am of course completely off topic and ready to head home for dinner. Enjoy your evening, Happy Eid.

Ivan Brendieswski
Ivan Brendieswski
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

I find it interesting that you spend so much time on a foreign website though? Wouldn’t your time be more effectively spent on a Qatari site? Also, isn’t this kind of low hanging fruit? Some of the Persian language and Russian language sites are far more damning of Qatar.

At least the people who visit this site have an interest in Qatar, whether you agree with their opinions or not. As the cliche goes, the opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference. If people hated Qatar it wouldn’t be discussed.

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago

The ‘Doha’ in the ‘Doha news’ makes it plenty local to me…. It becomes really one sided when you and your cyber mates bash Qatar, only resonated by the hear hear’s of the sprinkling of Qataris that side with you against their country.
What exactly is irking you about me being here Ivan? That the people who visit with an interest in Qatar are not just met with your bias views, or your sinister sarcasm at everything my country does?

If we build a tower you make fun, if we host the world cup you patronise, if we make any progress, your condescending!
Well unilike you I love my country Qatar, and I support and appreciate my governments efforts… Seriously what gall you have to want me to stand aside while you insult and disrespect the country that hosts you. YOU should go to your country’s websites and comment on your country, not insult mine and have the audacity to ask me to be quiet.

Ivan Brendieswski
Ivan Brendieswski
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

What irks me is that it seems that you think that Qatar and Qataris should somehow expect special treatment. The posting on this site is really very tame, measured, and considered by the standards of most sites of this type; but that consideration doesn’t mean that there are sacred cows. Leadership, corruption, crime, human rights, foreign affairs and development are all fair topics of discussion, as they are in any country. If I am comfortable criticizing them in my own land, then you can be sure that I am comfortable talking about foreign systems.

There is no requirement that you are comfortable with what others write. I advise that you get some thicker skin as I have seen very few out and out ‘insults’ on this site, particularly when compared to the vitriol on other similar sites.

If the restrained and really quite civil conversations here are bothersome to you, then I predict that you will be mightily bothered in the future as Qatar’s prominence on the world stage increases; as you have seen nothing of ‘insults and disrespect’ yet.

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago

No…Comments made by yourself and many like you here on this site, are often snide and condescending, intentionally engineered and aimed to ridicule Qatar in the international arena. We unlike yourselves, have a respect for our leaders, our government , our country and our people, you hail from lands that where sarcasm is your mantra. It is untrue that conversations here are civil…your words, a thin veneer your hatred and agenda. Others here are more brash and uncouth. My response to all of your reflect on that.

Ivan Brendieswski
Ivan Brendieswski
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

Clearly we have differing definitions and shan’t agree anytime soon.

On that note all, the beach beckons. I understand Eid may be soon – to those who observe – enjoy.

Ivan Brendieswski
Ivan Brendieswski
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

Any ‘disintegration’ of Qatari culture will be the result of choices made by Qataris, and no one else. Qataris have made the choice of the path that the country is on. Qataris have through their choices created the demographic anomaly there. Qataris decide who they let in, what websites Q-tel blocks, and what the laws are, so any changes in your country that you don’t like are the result of Qatari decisions.

Why don’t you stop wasting your time and go talk to Qatari decision makers with your concerns? It seems to me that it is unlikely that you are going to change the minds of Qatari decision makers by posting on this site. You clearly have passionate beliefs as to the future of your country. How does posting on this site help you achieve them?

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago

We are not asleep. Unlike you and your cynicism, we respect Qatar because it is our country, we genuinely stand by our decision makers in this learning curve and we will remain by their sides long after you leave. What I do or the effectiveness of what I say is of no concern of yours, and you, are the last person to advise me what to do or say.

Ivan Brendieswski
Ivan Brendieswski
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

Clearly you believe that to be so, but that is the nice thing about this forum, we all get to advise each other as we see fit. Isn’t the free flow of ideas this way great?

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago

One second you don’t want me here, the next you find the free flow of ideas great. I don’t care for your opinion, i’ve made that decision when I first saw through you.

Ivan Brendieswski
Ivan Brendieswski
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

Oh, your presence greatly livens up the conversation, and you are equally welcome here as anyone else, it is just your motivation that baffles me. It just seems to me that you would enjoy some other sites more – this one seems to arouse a lot anger in you.

CC
CC
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

Sorry to disagree Sister but we (the expats) are not Tourists in your country. Let’s do a simple exercise… just imagine that tomorrow all expats, and i mean all from maids to managers, do not wake up until 3pm…. what will happen?????
Ooooo, that is not tourism; so please respect.
Regarding the main topic, just continue I am having fun reading….

MIMH
MIMH
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

Quick Point of correction. Countries cannot be Muslim only people

Abdulrahman
Abdulrahman
7 years ago
Reply to  MIMH

Not even the holy kingdom of Saudia?!

Ivan Brendieswski
Ivan Brendieswski
7 years ago
Reply to  Abdulrahman

Nope. Countries are pieces of dirt, they can no more be Muslim than they can be capitalist. If you listen to Hilary Clinton’s speeches is is extremely careful to refer to ‘Muslim majority countries’. However, for our purposes, ‘Muslim countries’ is a convenient shorthand for the systems and laws put in place in those pieces of dirt.

Win
Win
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

You have yet to acknowledge the many Qatari gays here ? Or…are they gay because of the foreigners ?

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago

Besides what does Amnesty have to do with it!!!…Why don’t they actually do something good for once, like effectively tackle Guantanamos debacle..Or why don’t they call for the criminal charging of the occupying forces who committed heinous crimes in Abu Ghurair…Amnesty: A wolf in sheeps clothing, is no more than just another tentacle of the zionist machine that is slowly asphyxiating the muslim world

KK
KK
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

You forget that they should call for the criminal charging of those Arabs killings each other in Syria or charging those Libyans that ask USD 6,000 per person to put Africans on a ‘boat’ to Italy

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago
Reply to  KK

The list is too long to mention what Amnesty is NOT doing…but who cares, they’re lobbying for gay rights, and the Godless mob in muslim lands are cheering….many of whom I believe, have outstayed their welcome

KK
KK
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

A bit frustrated tonight ?

Ivan Brendieswski
Ivan Brendieswski
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

Anyone want to start a pool on how long before we get quotes from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? Anyone? Something is needed to liven up a rainy afternoon. C’mon, anyone?

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago

Don’t need to mention them now that you brought them up…But then again, that IS why you’re in Qatar eh? I can smell the reek of a ‘fraternity’ member a mile off, which lodge do you hail from? 😉

Ivan Brendieswski
Ivan Brendieswski
7 years ago
Reply to  Deer Bestow

I am proud to say that I am a member of the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo, Lodge #26. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx_9IweyjMs

That reek you detect? Nothing to do with ‘fraternity’ and much to do with the water buffalo’s preferred diet.

KK
KK
7 years ago

Haha, a gay test, my goodness.

Chipper fluffypants
Chipper fluffypants
7 years ago

I think the main question is really- how does one test for “gayness”. In all seriousness- what is done to test for this? It’s not possible unless it’s a simple question of yes or no.

DavidRSS8
DavidRSS8
7 years ago

What about all the GCC citizens who are gay? Will they be stripped of citizenship and forced into exile.

Qatari
Qatari
7 years ago
Reply to  DavidRSS8

ofc not but they have to follow islamic rule on them if they are muslims… and I do hope this issue is handled because of the extreme amount of gays in the region many people are starting to see it being ‘ok’ or ‘fine’ to be gay. which is the biggest taboo in islamic religion. just exposing this to our children affects them greatly. inshala it gets resolved effective immediately.

Abdulrahman
Abdulrahman
7 years ago
Reply to  Qatari

Is it a bigger taboo than than killing an innocent person?

Qatari
Qatari
7 years ago
Reply to  Abdulrahman

you cannot kill a person unless there are 4 male witnesses seeing the gay activity that is happening and you know that. and you also know how hard it is for 4 witnesses to see whats going on all at the same time, that is why our religion is so kind, and ofc you cannot kill an innocent person, so if one is doubting a person with eye opening logical features not features that is exaggerated but abnormal attributes you just have to contain it not kill the person.

Abdulrahman
Abdulrahman
7 years ago
Reply to  Qatari

Don’t over think it. I was simply asking if indeed the having anal sex is the biggest taboo in Islam. I believe most scholars agree that “Shirk” (the sin of practicing idolatry or polytheism,) as the biggest sin in Islam.

Qatari
Qatari
7 years ago
Reply to  Abdulrahman

you’re right also gay activity falls under idolatry (and I wasnt over-thinking just trying to be clear :P)

Abdulrahman
Abdulrahman
7 years ago
Reply to  Qatari

You know what really falls under idolatry? People who say they’re against things like alcohol, coed education, western life style in Qatar, etc.because it’s against Islam, but then they cannot bring themselves to say a single negative word about the people responsible for those things 😉

Qatari
Qatari
7 years ago
Reply to  Abdulrahman

ya5y you cant just make a bid3a and say what falls under idolatry now you’re just crossing the line between halal and haram allah yihadeek bas.

the kaba’ir is the worst one can do. go review the story of lut alaih w alsalam and see where that falls then go back to drinking and coed education etc… theres no comparison! gay activity is sooooo sooo much worse, to the extent where the throne of allah shakes!

so please do me a favor and instead of twisting and turning do review your shariah go to the mosque and ask a sheikh about these stuff so you can understand more clearly.

Deer Bestow
Deer Bestow
7 years ago