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Incensed by IS, some urging boycott of Harrods, other Qatar businesses

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Qatar’s close ties to the UK have been called into question by some conservative members of Parliament, who, incensed by recent beheadings by extremist groups, are urging their government to “get tough” on the Gulf state.

The politicians assert that Qatar has been financing terrorism in Syria and Iraq, making it possible for the groups to continue operating – and subsequently behead and imprison innocent people.

Qatar’s top leaders have repeatedly denied that it supports terrorism.

Last month, the Emir told CNN that he did not accept anyone funding “certain movements” in Iraq and Syria, where Qatar recently aided an aerial bombing campaign against ISIL targets.

But shortly after that interview, the US government designated four men with ties to Qatar as terrorists for their alleged financial activities.

UK politicians say their government should also call out Qatar for such activities.

Speaking to the Telegraph, Mike Freer, the Conservative MP for Finchley and Golders Green, said:

“The glaring difference between the numbers of people on the list in the UK compared to the US does raise questions as to whether we are not as rigorous as the Americans – or else are we being blinded by commercial interests?”

Harrods boycott

Qatar Investment Authority, the country’s sovereign wealth fund, owns a great deal of property in the UK, including Harrods, the Shard, the Olympic Village and 20 percent of the London Stock Exchange.

According to the Telegraph, some UK residents have been agitating for a boycott of Harrods, a landmark department store that Qatar bought in 2010.

The newspaper reports:

“Mark Lewis, the solicitor who represented the family of Milly Dowler among others in the News of the World phone hacking scandal, is leading calls for a boycott.

Mr Lewis said: ‘We can stand back and do nothing, but when we do, we are paying for that terror … People need to know where their money is going.'”

It is unclear whether the campaign will gain traction in the UK.

Other nations struggle

Notably, though Qatar has come under extreme scrutiny over its alleged support of extremist groups in the region, it is not the only country struggling to prevent residents from helping these organizations.

ISIS graphicA new Washington Post report states that hundreds of people from the UK have been heading to Syria to fight against the regime of President Bashar Al Assad, many of whom are presumed to have joined IS.

The vast majority of fighters hail from Arab countries, but so far only 15 militants are reported to be from Qatar, compared to 488 from the UK and 412 from France, for example.

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The Reporter
The Reporter
7 years ago

A year ago the general public in the UK didn’t even have Qatar on their radar other than in connection with WC2022, and even then the message on human rights was ignored (it still is), However that has changed. A lot of high-profile voices including MP’s and military experts are starting to publicly criticise Qatar’s alleged roles in Egypt and the wider Middle East, and perceptions are definitely changing.

Big Biker
Big Biker
7 years ago

Let’s boycott the UK until they stop their citizens joining IS and as is suspected beheading people.

MIMH
MIMH
7 years ago
Reply to  Big Biker

Let’s boycott all religions than have passages in them that support beheadings as well. (And boycott Israel while we are at it)

Huzz
Huzz
7 years ago
Reply to  MIMH

Religion is the root of all evil. We know it but we just keep going.

outdoorsboys
outdoorsboys
7 years ago
Reply to  Big Biker

So Qatar is going to boycott the world. Interesting to see how it will manage when all the expats from countries whose citizens have been brainwashed into fighting with IS have been sent home.

Scarletti
Scarletti
7 years ago
Reply to  Big Biker

no, let them out, just never let them back in !

thedrizzle96
thedrizzle96
7 years ago

“While people know very little about Qatar, its wealth has bought some of the crown jewels of English property. It owns the Shard, it owns Harrods, it might as well own our morals.” I mean a great quote, and these days british morals are classified as what? Public street beheadings, refusing to be held accountable to european law, the guy who murdered, cut up, and then boiled his transgendered wife offering some of the broth to a plumber, or is it the MPs, celebrities, public servants, teachers and men of the cloth that keep getting caught up in scandals and cheating on their wives, or do the morals lie in the journalistic standards that consider that national “news”? Qatar is under the microscope and it is having some positive changes and hopefully will continue to have positive changes, but the british media has turned into a transparent pantomime of jealousy, envy and rage egged on by a media that infers all the modern day issues with their lives, economies and futures are definitely not as a result of their own government

desertCard
desertCard
7 years ago
Reply to  thedrizzle96

With a responsible and free press who knows what they might dig up here. You think scandals and ill repute are only western phenomena?

thedrizzle96
thedrizzle96
7 years ago
Reply to  desertCard

A western phenomena is the degradation of journalism to what equates to nothing more substantial than gossip, hidden agendas, wagging the dog and political favouring. What does Rupert Murdoch own? And why would he be pissed if the wc moved to the winter? And like big biker said, who keeps popping up on tv supplying human resources to isis? Who’s funding them, who’s funding syria, israel, egypt, the kurds, isis, the list goes on, where they came from, what the truth behind it all is, is anyone’s guess. Today’s enemies are yesterday’s friends. A boycott of harrod’s is a joke in the scheme of what’s going on in the world and viable ways of solving the problems both short term and long-term. It’s entirely possible that a former resident of the pearl has moved back to london to be greeted by exactly the same cars and noise that they thought they left behind and has organised an ill-fated boycott. The uk needs to be asking their own governments the hard questions, like what’s the future of the nhs, of social security and spending on education and healthcare.
It appears that the once formidable diplomatic power the uk was able to display has been boiled down to the reporting of a feeble boycott of one of the best known stores…in its own capital

AEC
AEC
7 years ago
Reply to  thedrizzle96

World Press Freedom Index 2014 = UK 33rd, QA 113th. Degradation of journalism? I think you’re talking about one small part of “western journalism”. I’ll stick with the choice the UK press (and many others) provide thanks. Another “western phenomena” is the advocacy of critical thinking in the hope people develop the skills to read between the lines for themselves – something sadly lacking in many parts of the world with sub-standard education systems.

thedrizzle96
thedrizzle96
7 years ago
Reply to  AEC

Must be why over 60% believe that news stories are often wrong and over 70% believe that when news organisations make a mistake they try to cover it up, you can use stats to describe whatever angle you want, or in your case not use stats “advocacy of critical thinking in the hope people develop the skills to read between the lines…” And the same corporations that own the newspapers, radio and broadcast also own the internet lines, two key elements of oligopolies and media bias contribution…And the education system you tout as being the key to this also produces students who rank 20th in science, 23rd in reading and 26 in math….out of 65, so in that case I’m not sure if the standard you’re referring to as not being “sub” means being somewhere in the middle, then maybe the standards should be raised. Or the crippling education system that burdens students who take loans with a 10% deduction on their salary until the loan is paid off or until they turn 50 years old, and also penalises people who pay off early as that would mean they’re paying less than someone who doesn’t have the luxury to pay off early (and thus has to pay all the interest off) because they earn less, so that would be “unfair”. Although there is some light, for the Scottish offer free university education if you’re Scottish, the separatist Scotts, but if you’re English, same country remember, then you have to pay the 9000 pounds even in Scotland, the Scotts would have to pay the 9000 pounds, and the Northern Irish as well, so they stay at home and pay their “fees”, meanwhile any european student who comes to Scotland for some education doesn’t pay because the UK are not allowed to enforce different rules on members of the EU. So even in the education system we can see sub-standard and illogical methods…

AEC
AEC
7 years ago
Reply to  thedrizzle96

Stats for the UK = fair to middling & overall (in my view) still a reasonable press. Compare all the stats for somewhere like Finland (nearly free education) with somewhere like Saudi. I think I know which I’d prefer.

thedrizzle96
thedrizzle96
7 years ago
Reply to  AEC

well you’ve just dropped your standards then and seemingly dismissed the possibility of an education system that burdens the poor…

Michael Fryer
Michael Fryer
7 years ago
Reply to  thedrizzle96

Yep, Western Media can learn a lot about truth and quality reporting from the Gulf Times.

PS, Rupert Murdoch owns Fox Sports, which stands to loose a heap of money if the World Cup is moved to winter, which is the NFL season.

And you know who else owns a lot of Fox? Saudi Prince Waleed bin Talal Al Saud.

I hope you can start to see who is REALLY behind all this.

desertCard
desertCard
7 years ago
Reply to  Michael Fryer

Don’t bother trying to explain anything to this lot. They think the JEWS control all media and are hypnotizing us all into a zionist state of mind. LOL.

A_qtr
A_qtr
7 years ago
Reply to  desertCard

This isn’t about Jewish conspiracy theories.. This is about people in power stand to lose a lot money therefore they are using means available to them to ensure future stream.. In the case of Murdoch he uses his media empire for his best business interest

desertCard
desertCard
7 years ago
Reply to  A_qtr

And he was caught and disgraced. Would that happen here? You can’t even whisper a charge of anything here, even with the culprit caught with his arm in the cookie jar. Yes so transparent Qatar.

Michael Fryer
Michael Fryer
7 years ago
Reply to  thedrizzle96

And this morning we read this in the Murdoch/Saudi owned Wall Street Journal. Don’t tell me this is all a ‘western’ conspiracy. The Saudis aren’t too pleased with Qatar either.

WASHINGTON—The Obama administration’s alliance with Qatar is shaking the international coalition against extremist group Islamic State, according to U.S. and Arab officials who say the Gulf emirate’s ties to powerful militant and Islamist groups in the Middle East are a problem.

Qatar’s links with the main al Qaeda affiliate in Syria, Nusra Front, as well as with Hamas and the Taliban in Afghanistan, are heightening concerns in Washington and Arab capitals about the long-term intentions of the monarchy.

Diplomats from Washington’s closest Arab allies, including Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Jordan, have been warning the White House that Qatar is playing a double game in the region—publicly supporting U.S. policies while aiding its enemies. These countries have been pressing Washington to more forcefully reprimand Doha over those relationships.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/u-s-qatar-alliance-strains-coalition-against-islamic-state-1412983181

thedrizzle96
thedrizzle96
7 years ago
Reply to  Michael Fryer

So you’ve missed the context, it begs the question as to why they haven’t forcefully been reprimanded, but then again why dig when the journalists can be assumed to have done all the dirty and hard work. Afterall mainstream news is never censored or censured, nor is it setting up a charter on press regulation and telling the press to “sign up or else”, beyond of course the revelations of phone hacking scandals which must have been pushed to your newsfeed

outdoorsboys
outdoorsboys
7 years ago
Reply to  thedrizzle96

On the contrary, mainstream journalism in the UK is often censured, particularly by the public, but never censored.

thedrizzle96
thedrizzle96
7 years ago
Reply to  outdoorsboys

You are most certainly wrong, the government often issues gag orders, super injunctions, media blackouts, closed court session, it’s even illegal to be in possession of material as a journalist that could be useful to a terrorist, which is fairly broad, so to that end, there is the terror act, obscenity laws, official secrets act, film censorship and ratings which require all films to be officially rated AND approved before being allowed to be screened, there are laws banning satirisation of the government etc, many well-known journals and their publishers have recently been accused of blocking articles from being published as well, so although convenient to believe that there is no censorship in the western world, it’s not true, here’s an example of the trouble journalists have been facing in recent times: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/19/david-miranda-schedule7-danger-reporters

Anon
Anon
7 years ago
Reply to  thedrizzle96

Arkell vs Pressdram 1971

outdoorsboys
outdoorsboys
7 years ago
Reply to  thedrizzle96

The point is that EVEREY issue is debated, dissected and argued in the UK, without censor. And if UK education is so poor why is Qatar falling over itself to bring British educationalists in to rescue its own failing system

Michael Fryer
Michael Fryer
7 years ago
Reply to  outdoorsboys

That’s why Qatari universities are being set up in the UK, because the local universities such as Oxford and Cambridge have such a poor reputation.

I wonder why I didn’t see this published here in the Gulf Times?

Dr David Weinberg, a senior fellow at the Washington-based Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a think tank investigating Qatar’s links to terror funding, said: “The United States blacklisted Kuwari in 2011 as part of the biggest terror finance bust in years, which US officials described as al-Qaeda’s core pipeline for moving money and operatives between the Middle East and south Asia. And what did Qatar do? They let him out of jail three months later.

“When Kuwari and Khawar were arrested in 2009, the government apparently let Kuwari go back to his old job at the Interior Ministry. It is probably no coincidence that the interior minister at the time was Abdullah bin Khalid bin Hamad al Thani, whom US intelligence officials have said helped the mastermind of 9/11 and numerous other plots leave Qatar when US officials were preparing to arrest him.

“Yet another example of Qatar turning a blind eye to terror finance and letting wanted men escape punishment.”

Dr Weinberg is expected to publish a report on the Qatari terror links in the coming weeks and is expected to identify about 20 terror financiers with Qatari links.

He added: “Given that Nuaymi allegedly provided millions of dollars to Isil’s forerunner, al-Qaeda in Iraq, the fact that Doha has yet to take action against him undercuts the Qatari narrative that it is doing everything it can to fight Isil. One would think that punishing Nuaymi would serve as a powerful deterrent to others who might think about supporting Isil or other terrorist groups.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/11156327/Al-Qaeda-terror-financier-worked-for-Qatari-government.html

thedrizzle96
thedrizzle96
7 years ago
Reply to  outdoorsboys

I doubt it’s because it’s so poor

desertCard
desertCard
7 years ago
Reply to  thedrizzle96

Where do you get your %’s? A dream?

Abdulrahman
Abdulrahman
7 years ago
Reply to  desertCard

Probably the same place where you get “facts” like dhow top speed is 5 mph, or that all Qataris get paid money just for being Qatari. Glass house dear, glass houses!

desertCard
desertCard
7 years ago
Reply to  Abdulrahman

I’ve been on a dhow, they go slow. Sorry I didn’t get my speedometer out and get it precise. Point on that story is that a CG boat that goes at least 50mph cannot be out run by a dhow.

You do get paid. Land, house, education, etc etc etc

Only the poor in the US get that.

How’s this a glass house? I get none of that.

Abdulrahman
Abdulrahman
7 years ago
Reply to  desertCard

Actually, most countries in the world provide their citizens with free education. In fact, most developed countries provide more than that.

And what you have claimed specifically was that Qataris get “cash” just for being Qatari. Of course, since you were probably just making it up as you go along, it’s no wonder you cannot remember.

desertCard
desertCard
7 years ago
Reply to  Abdulrahman

Some Qataris do get cash. I know several. I corrected myself then. Obviously not all do.

thedrizzle96
thedrizzle96
7 years ago
Reply to  desertCard

Another example of countries giving houses would be the UK’s transition from social housing to the tenants, in which tenants were given the properties in many cases for 20% of the price, which of course, the price was nowhere near market value, so you had people paying 10,000 pounds for property in London worth 100 times that and up, which has had a large impact on the availability of low cost and affordable housing, of course there were guidelines, ie. you had to have been a tenant for a certain number of years for a certain discount, just like there are rules with the “free housing” in Qatar, rules like, it has to be your primary residence, you can’t rent it out or sell it for 20+ years, and you have to build on it within a certain time frame; there are also guidelines for the education benefits; Canada also offers free post graduate education in many cases, Germany made news last week for free education

Saleem
Saleem
7 years ago
Reply to  Abdulrahman

He makes up a lot of “facts”, I have begun to notice that…lol.

desertCard
desertCard
7 years ago
Reply to  thedrizzle96

Then breaking the Abu Gharaib story, the Gitmo stories, WikiLeaks, Iraq and the search for WMD… all lies and fabrication so all you arabs stop getting your panties in a wad about fabricated stories. Who do you think broke those stories? The Gulf Times? The Peninsula? LOL

MIMH
MIMH
7 years ago
Reply to  thedrizzle96

The UK press does seem to be very interested in qatar these days but I doubt it has anything to do with jealously, envy or rage and more to do with qatar having lots of juicy stories.

A_qtr
A_qtr
7 years ago
Reply to  MIMH

Or the AD connection with papers like the Telegraph or Sunday times

outdoorsboys
outdoorsboys
7 years ago
Reply to  thedrizzle96

I fail to see any parallel between individuals committing murder in UK and the alleged funding of terrorist organisations who slaughter thousands without a thought, indeed celebrate their brutality. The beheading of a man in London by two deranged fanatics is no indication of the morals of a nation, nor a result of government policy.
The difference with the media and journalism in UK and other parts of the western world is that they can print pretty much anything- it’s called freedom. You don’t have to agree with the content and believe me, millions don’t, but to denounce comment as a ‘pantomime of jealousy envy and rage’ is frankly laughable

thedrizzle96
thedrizzle96
7 years ago
Reply to  outdoorsboys

It’s hoped that you would have read between the lines analytically as a result of the pro standard education system of which you graduated, to see why that would have been presented as a reply

AEC
AEC
7 years ago
Reply to  thedrizzle96

Are you actually trying to say something here? It’s not clear.

thedrizzle96
thedrizzle96
7 years ago
Reply to  AEC

still bummed that your anecdotal argument about the state of the education system in the uk wasn’t accurate? By the way, on average they spend 20% more and still underperform #bonus

AEC
AEC
7 years ago
Reply to  thedrizzle96

Ok. You’ve completely lost me now. I give up.

outdoorsboys
outdoorsboys
7 years ago
Reply to  thedrizzle96

Sorry Drizzle, I don’t understand your comment

thedrizzle96
thedrizzle96
7 years ago
Reply to  outdoorsboys

Drawing parallels between the actions of a few people as a representation of the whole….I’m agreeing with you and highlighting an oft used bias

Guest
Guest
7 years ago
Reply to  thedrizzle96

I commented on your posting Drizzle which inferred that the criminal actions of a few people ( out of approx. 68million) is an indication of the morals of a nation.

The Reporter
The Reporter
7 years ago
Reply to  thedrizzle96

I think it’s fair to say that neither the British nor the Americans have any jealousy or envy of the Qatari. Neither of those nations could adapt to a culture that is so profoundly alien to their own. A lot of adverse comment is made in the hope that the Qatari (and similar regimes) understand the depth of feeling on issues of human rights, political interference, and the lack of transparency with which Qatar deals with the outside world. It is not criticism for the sake of it.

thedrizzle96
thedrizzle96
7 years ago
Reply to  The Reporter

Saying you think it’s fair to say and it being true is a jump, I wouldn’t disagree that political pressure on Qatar to change happens in different ways and on different levels, including behind closed doors and using the media; the technique of using the media is one not strictly limited to government

AEC
AEC
7 years ago

Do you actually have rights to that WaPo image? or did you just borrow it?

Abdulrahman
Abdulrahman
7 years ago

Gee, maybe should hold a real trial for Blair to hold him accountable for dragging the UK to be the number 1 willing partner in the U.S. invasion of Iraq, with the goal of removing Saddam from power, which created the vacuum and set the stage for Al Qeada, and subsequently ISIS to flourish there.

MIMH
MIMH
7 years ago
Reply to  Abdulrahman

I’d be up for that, Blair and Bush approved an illegal war with no UN backing based on false evidence. They said their intention was to stop WMDs.
However I would have supported them if they said they were going to free the world and the Iraqi people from a murderous dictatorship but they didn’t.

Now I don’t care about wars in the Middle East, let them fight it out and kill each other. No need for the west to get involved.

Kingpin
Kingpin
7 years ago
Reply to  Abdulrahman

Its a sad inditement of the middle east, when you think the situation would be better with saddam in power. a man who gassed his own people and killed more muslims than any coaltion war

desertCard
desertCard
7 years ago
Reply to  Kingpin

But those he gasses weren’t Muslims so it’s OK.

A_qtr
A_qtr
7 years ago
Reply to  desertCard

Kurds and Shia and rebal Sunni tribes aren’t Muslims ?

Kingpin
Kingpin
7 years ago
Reply to  A_qtr

also iranians

desertCard
desertCard
7 years ago
Reply to  A_qtr

Not sunni or shia brand so branded apostates.

Abdulrahman
Abdulrahman
7 years ago
Reply to  desertCard

Kurds are Sunnis; goes to show how ignorant you are.

And when Saddam gassed them, he was a friend of that demigod of yours Reagan. In fact, the U.S. was supplying Saddam with weapons at that time.

desertCard
desertCard
7 years ago
Reply to  Abdulrahman

Untrue, some also follow Zoroastrianism, Judaism, Manichaeism, and
Christianity. Only about half are sunni muslims.

Abdulrahman
Abdulrahman
7 years ago
Reply to  desertCard

Speaking of people who are allied with fundamentalist Sunnis,

desertCard
desertCard
7 years ago
Reply to  Abdulrahman

He gassed them because they were tacitly supporting Iran in the war. and before you go answer gassing women and children is not part of |”well then they deserved it”.

desertCard
desertCard
7 years ago
Reply to  Abdulrahman

Yes and we said ~”go gas the fools”. Idjit.

Cerebus
Cerebus
7 years ago
Reply to  Abdulrahman

More of the flawed the enemy of my enemy is my friend philosophy. Maybe if everyone stopped taking sides and supporting different sides in places far removed from their homes this would be less of an issue. In the case above it was about a failed attempt to prop up a proxy government through the Shaw that ended quite poorly for the American government, and them propping up Saddam as a means to counter the collapse. There is also the Russian KGB involvement in all of this back from the 1970s with the stated purpose of establishing the US and the West as a great evil with the idea of destabilizing their presence in the region. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2348191/EXCLUSIVE-KGB-operation-seeded-Muslim-countries-anti-American-anti-Jewish-propaganda-1970s-laying-groundwork-Islamist-terrorism-U-S-Israeli-targets.html

Abdulrahman
Abdulrahman
7 years ago
Reply to  Kingpin

Please feel free to provide us with the numbers to back up your claim that Saddam killed more Iraqi people than the U.S. has. Let me guess, you’re just repeating what you heard Bush and Faux noise say about how Saddam killed millions of his people?

Oh, and by the by, why don’t do some research on who supplied Saddam with the material he needed to make that the mustard gas he used to kill 3000-5000 Kurds.

desertCard
desertCard
7 years ago
Reply to  Abdulrahman

IN 1988, the Al Anfal Campaign, he gassed a minimum of 50,000, possibly 180,000 Kurds. Many women and children.

In 1991 after losing the 1st Gulf War he again cracked down on the Kurds and Shia killing anywhere from 20-50,000 Kurds and 60-130,000 Shia.

The US did not supply Mustard Gas to the Iraqis.

Kingpin
Kingpin
7 years ago
Reply to  Abdulrahman

i cannot be bothered to provide you references you can easily look up on the following,
itan/iraq war
al anfal campaign
invasion of kuwait
purging of the marsh arabs
etc, etc.

who cares where he bought the ingrediants from? i just bought some knives from carrefour, are they to blame if i go on a murder spree?
i also dont think the west is blameless, but unlike you i can see both sides

Abdulrahman
Abdulrahman
7 years ago
Reply to  Kingpin

Yes, knives and mustard gas are the same! Also, guns don’t kill people, people kill people!

And I cannot be bothered to provide you with the numbers of all the men, women, and children the U.S. war on terror has killed.

By the way, I wasn’t defending Saddam’s action, like you seem to be defending Bush and Blair’s illegal war. I was merely pointing out that while Saddam was bad, his removal set the stage for ISIS to takeover, and I think ISIS is worse than Saddam.

Kingpin
Kingpin
7 years ago
Reply to  Abdulrahman

by “they” i meant carrefour, not the knives.

Scarletti
Scarletti
7 years ago
Reply to  Abdulrahman

i’d vote for that, and possibly so would more than half the UK population !

A_qtr
A_qtr
7 years ago

The UK and France have 900 fighters in the ranks of ISIS! Those are the ones accounted for.. 7/7 terror bombing, youth wielding machetes on the high street… The guy with the bling eye and a hook… Maybe the MPs need to have a very close look at why the UK is breeding such extremists and terrorists….

outdoorsboys
outdoorsboys
7 years ago
Reply to  A_qtr

The difference is that they are individuals who are wielding guns in Syria Iraq. They didn’t buy their own- who paid for them? The allegations that individuals in Qatar have been bankrolling them to the tune of millions need to be addressed. It’s not enough to say that the government is doing it-. Mud sticks.

A_qtr
A_qtr
7 years ago
Reply to  outdoorsboys

That’s right they got them for Doha who manufactures weapon in the Industrail area… I mean these weapons have a made in Qatar stamp on them… They were not flown in from the US or Europe .. Never … when till six months ago the Syrian opposition was on the “right side” of the war and was supported by all till it morphed into what is now IS!!

Cerebus
Cerebus
7 years ago
Reply to  A_qtr

The link to the article in the Wash Post I provided in my comment gives a nice pictorial of your comment. The west supported groups that Qatar supported, they once supported Assad (Kerry and his wife had dinner with him in 2011), the west supported the MB, then they stopped supporting them, or did they? Then it was moderate opposition – who is that – no one seems to know, then its on both sides of the issues in Iraq, funding and training groups that are moderates – whatever that means again, with arms and weapons taken from Libya and elsewhere…..its a giant twisted web where no one is really clear as to who is who and what is what.

outdoorsboys
outdoorsboys
7 years ago
Reply to  A_qtr

A_qtr, you misunderstand. I didn’t say they were made in Qatar. I said that the allegations need to be addressed and dealt with forcefully.

Desert Witch
Desert Witch
7 years ago
Reply to  outdoorsboys

Nothing to do with the fact that the Iraqi army abandoned their barracks, ( officers first if you please) at the first sight of ISIS? Tanks weapons ammunition everything the US supplied and taught them to use was left behind for ISIS soldiers to use as they wanted.

MIMH
MIMH
7 years ago
Reply to  A_qtr

Well for a start they listen to people like Yusuf Qwaradi, who funnily enough is based in Qatar. He supports wife beating, killing of apostates and the formation of an Islamic state.

It easy to take advantage of the poor anywhere in the world and promised them heaven as they have nothing left to lose. Why else would people become suicide bombers?

thedrizzle96
thedrizzle96
7 years ago
Reply to  MIMH

We get it, you don’t like the guy, or religion or belief in a higher being, if i remember correctly your stance on Qaradawi is indefensible as it was debunked on all points last time it was brought it up, not by me it should be said

MIMH
MIMH
7 years ago
Reply to  thedrizzle96

No not debunked at. How can it be when in his own book he supported wife beating and in his own words murdereing apostates

thedrizzle96
thedrizzle96
7 years ago
Reply to  MIMH

You were called out on context and specificity of the comments

A_qtr
A_qtr
7 years ago
Reply to  MIMH

So the 7/7 bombers were motivated by Qaradawi?

MIMH
MIMH
7 years ago
Reply to  A_qtr

Yes by him and those of his ilk, giving them backing to kill non-muslims and justifying it as some sort of holy war against the infidels. (Qualification. Only a small percentage of muslim leaders encourage violence against non-muslims and only a small percentage of muslims carry out violent acts in the name of Islam)

Doc
Doc
7 years ago
Reply to  MIMH

Bang on. You cant fight against people who have nothing to lose, who are promised all their riches and wildest desires shall be fulfilled in death. Thing I cant understand is if thats true why don’t the hate clerics or military leaders ever volunteer to wear the TNT vest?

Kingpin
Kingpin
7 years ago
Reply to  A_qtr

i think you will find all the isis fighters, british or otherwise, are muslim. perhaps islam should have a grown up conversation as to why it is breeding such extremists and terrorists.

A_qtr
A_qtr
7 years ago
Reply to  Kingpin

How many Muslim Indonesians or Muslim Indians are in the ranks of ISIS?

MIMH
MIMH
7 years ago
Reply to  A_qtr

Indonesian muslims are too busy persecuted muslim sects in Indonesian they consider heretical or persecuting the Christain minority. Plenty of enemies of Islam closer to home, no need to travel…

The Indonesian govt has a fierce secruity section that keeps a close eye on such people and has no problem putting them in prison without trial.

Ahmed A
Ahmed A
7 years ago
Reply to  Kingpin

damn them those 800 crazy muslims, must also mean the other 1+ billion are also fanatics.

remember those crazy american teens that killed all those kids at those schools/movie theaters… damn americans and their talk of freedom to bear arms, all 300 million must be nut jobs

Kingpin
Kingpin
7 years ago
Reply to  Ahmed A

i said a grown up conversation.
those american teens didnt commit murder because the were religiously offended, or their holy book told them to do it. now i dont have much time for any religion, so i dont have a particualr issue just with islam. however,
islam is the only mainstream religion that will try to kill me if i produce the wrong cartoon, speech or book. if you dont believe me, what do you think would happen if i burned a koran in cairo? now what would happen if i burnt a bible in the vatican?
as for mainstream islamic views, that most of the world find a bit fanatical, what do you believe the punishment for apostasy is? do you agree with the 60% of egyptians or the 13% of indnesians or the 59% of palestinians who think it should be the death penalty?

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

Guest
Guest
7 years ago
Reply to  Ahmed A

The Islamic world needs to look at its leadership and make some decisions on who is in charge religiously. They need to be recognised globally and have the power to say “this is correct” or “this is not correct”. Until this happens any crackpot can claim to be an authority on the subject and encourage acts that as we all know are against the values of Islam. On the other hand we could just scrap all the books that we use that were written thousands of years ago and agree on a general framework of global laws at the UN. That would be nice.

Cerebus
Cerebus
7 years ago

Guess my comment didn’t make the cut….

brorick
brorick
7 years ago

I once got told that Iraq want ISIS which lets be honest is a load of rubbish…but I love how according to this picture so few people from Iraq are members of ISIS ( or at least fought in Syria)

A_qtr
A_qtr
7 years ago
Reply to  brorick

Actually a lot of people in the tens thousands are from Iraq…

Ahmed A
Ahmed A
7 years ago

The same rigorous work that found WMD in Iraq.

“The glaring difference between the numbers of people on the list in the UK compared to the US does raise questions as to whether we are not as rigorous as the Americans – or else are we being blinded by commercial interests?”

Cerebus
Cerebus
7 years ago

Westerner’s are just generally confused by the Middle East. Even after the long entanglements in this region, there is still a great deal of confusion. There is a significant amount of history and regional politics that are not well understood by the west. Much of this is related to the Middle East as being somewhat closed off culturally from the western world, a phenomena resulting from actions on both sides of the spectrum (east/west). Now that the entire region is essentially embroiled in conflict it makes for some really good news that the corporate owned media of the west can use to sell more stuff. They have figured out that fear sells. More than *word that keeps this from being posted* sells. When you have a mysterious and little understood place embroiled in conflict with western idiots running to the cause (being the outsider is often the “coolest” thing one can do – nonconformist in western culture) and turning into jihadihipsters – why not capitalize on that fear to sell more junk that people do not need. It interesting to watch a western news broadcast and see what commercials are paired with what story. For example, stories about disease (Ebola) will break to commercials for life insurance and retirement planning. Stories about conflicts overseas will often be paired with ads for luxury goods (expensive things make us feel good for a moment and forget about bad things). Its telling that every major news outlet in the west has on staff a team of physiologists and sociologists and a marketing department that is 10 times the size of the news organization.

As we are on the subject of the WaPo graphics and the confusion over who is with who, the article below provides for a general idea of the vast interconnecting mess that the world finds itself in when talking about ISIS and the Middle East in general. Perhaps this problem of the Middle East needs to be addressed by the Middle East? http://www.washingtonpost.com/

Jaded
Jaded
7 years ago

Alright, alright, calm down everyone, nothing to worry about here, Brits can’t afford to shop at Harrods anyway, it’s mostly Qataris that shop there

Doc
Doc
7 years ago
Reply to  Jaded

No we go to Fortnum and Mason, It has a little more class not crass

BBCA
BBCA
7 years ago

Wow! you guys are throwing down in the comments below. I love this! The commentary here is sometime way more interesting than the Article itself. LOL!

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