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Qatar motorists blame new traffic signal for backups near Katara

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Katara signal traffic
Katara signal traffic

The launch of a new traffic signal at Katara Roundabout in West Bay has spurred an outpouring of complaints from Qatar residents who say they have been caught in extra-long traffic jams this weekend.

The signal, which went live on Thursday morning, has been causing backups particularly during peak hours for those heading away from the Pearl-Qatar and Lagoona Mall and toward Katara, motorists said on Twitter:

Lusail Expressway

Traffic jams in the Pearl area have been common for months as Ashghal works to create a new QR3.5 billion Lusail Expressway, which is expected to be completed in 2017.

But motorists did see some relief two weeks ago when a new signal began functioning near the entrance/exit to the Pearl.

Intersection at Pearl-Qatar
Intersection at Pearl-Qatar

Before the launch of the “smart” traffic lights, a roundabout had temporarily managed traffic. But residents lauded the new junction for cutting congestion and confusion in the area.

Were you caught up in traffic by Katara this weekend? Thoughts?

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Yacine
Yacine
6 years ago

Well that must be the work of some genius expats on fat salaries who thought they are coming here to bring development to the country. Sometimes I understand and I agree with many Qataris on how they perceive some expats.

Huzz
Huzz
6 years ago
Reply to  Yacine

There is a Qatari at the head of all gov departments is there not?

Yacine
Yacine
6 years ago
Reply to  Huzz

He bears some of the responsibility but his task is not to tell engineers how to do their jobs properly. It is their fault primarily.

DavidRSS8
DavidRSS8
6 years ago
Reply to  Yacine

Most of the signal implementation is now Qatari or at least not Western expat as you put it. They still buy their systems but Ashgal does this sort of thing increasingly on its own and is full of Qatari engineers. 5 years ago you could blame the white expat, but not anymore.

Sometimes Ashgal gets things right, sometimes it doesn’t, but what it doesn’t seem to do is go around blaming everyone else.

Yacine
Yacine
6 years ago
Reply to  DavidRSS8

With the current number of projects under Asghal I don’t think A status are managing more than ten percent of them. Asghal is still heavily relying on expats

DavidRSS8
DavidRSS8
6 years ago
Reply to  Yacine

Not so much the “expats on fat salaries” you are referring to. Plenty of regional and South Asian expats, though.

Yacine
Yacine
6 years ago
Reply to  DavidRSS8

You seem to have an issue with expats from Asia. Is it because they are more talented but get a lower salary than most “White” expats?

Yacine
Yacine
6 years ago
Reply to  DavidRSS8

You seem to have an issue with people from MENA and South Asia. Racism wouldn’t get you anywhere man! Actually it weakens your argument.

Huzz
Huzz
6 years ago
Reply to  Yacine

I am confused by your posts. In many you suggest that you are an expat and yet you still seem to loathe expats. Are you undecided?

Yacine
Yacine
6 years ago
Reply to  Huzz

I am an expat and my experience here in 4 years is that many expats are useless. In my previous job in the government, you could fire half of them overnight and the work will still be done.

Huzz
Huzz
6 years ago
Reply to  Yacine

I would suggest then that those doing the hiring are hiring the wrong people. That makes them incompetent and not those hired.

Yacine
Yacine
6 years ago
Reply to  Huzz

Of course. The whole hiring process (and the HR department in general) was a joke.

DavidRSS8
DavidRSS8
6 years ago
Reply to  Yacine

Both other expats?

ShabinaKhatri
ShabinaKhatri
6 years ago
Reply to  Yacine

Deleting the rest of this thread because it has nothing to do with the story.

YesUR
YesUR
6 years ago
Reply to  DavidRSS8

A department is full of Qataris only when the outcome is bad, ya we get you David. HATER!

DavidRSS8
DavidRSS8
6 years ago
Reply to  YesUR

Yeah, because that is EXACTLY what I wrote. I hope whoever paid for your education got a refund.

FukPigs
FukPigs
6 years ago
Reply to  DavidRSS8

Get the f out of this country dude, do us all a favor and go somewhere where you are welcomed. Your defiantly not welcomed here with that mentality of yours. Oink Oink.

Huzz
Huzz
6 years ago
Reply to  FukPigs

Sabina, surely this needs to be deleted?

Anonymouse
Anonymouse
6 years ago
Reply to  Huzz

Why, how does it violate the terms of use?

Huzz
Huzz
6 years ago
Reply to  Anonymouse

The name Fukpigs is a play on a vulgarity and his sentence is a personal attack including vulgarity. That should cover it I think.

Anonymouse
Anonymouse
6 years ago
Reply to  Huzz

Ah, I see, reasonable. I thought that you did like the cartoon, which was quite humorous.

MIMH
MIMH
6 years ago
Reply to  FukPigs

I like pigs, it’s where bacon comes from. You should try it

Anonymouse
Anonymouse
6 years ago
Reply to  MIMH

Is that Muslim Rage Boy, or a look alike?

Anonymouse
Anonymouse
6 years ago
Reply to  FukPigs

You seem to think that oink oink is an insult. You are mistaken.

ShabinaKhatri
ShabinaKhatri
6 years ago
Reply to  FukPigs

Blocking for trolling. Man, people were feeling salty this weekend!

ShabinaKhatri
ShabinaKhatri
6 years ago
Reply to  YesUR

Deleting for attack.

terracotta
terracotta
6 years ago
Reply to  DavidRSS8

some of these posters need to learn from ashghal then 😛

Huzz
Huzz
6 years ago
Reply to  Yacine

He signs off therefore he bears all the responsibility. One can delegate authority but not responsibility.

Yacine
Yacine
6 years ago
Reply to  Huzz

You seem confused here. The project manager is responsible for delivering a failed project. His Qatari boss is responsible for signing off on a project that was not properly prepared. He bears part of the responsibility. However, his Qatari boss might have signed off on a properly planned project. It was all messed up in the implementation phase under the responsibility of the project manager.

I get your point but I wouldn’t put all the blame on the Qatari boss unless he was involved in the project and imposed some bad choices.

Brother
Brother
6 years ago
Reply to  Yacine

Don’t bother explaining anything, ray7 nafsik.

Huzz
Huzz
6 years ago
Reply to  Yacine

Not at all Yacine, I agree with you that the people under him may have done their jobs incorrectly however the boss is the boss and is responsible for all work done under him and to which he signs his name. He is the responsible person in his department. As I said, authority is delegated but never responsibility.

The Reporter
The Reporter
6 years ago
Reply to  Yacine

As a PM I totally agree with that. Biggest problems that I encounter are that I receive improperly planned projects based on poor briefs to implement, contracts that are a combination of shockingly worded and insanely one-sided, ludicrously optimistic programmes, and finally intervention including 180 degree changes of mind by the Client.

Yacine
Yacine
6 years ago
Reply to  The Reporter

True, but here we are talking about the wrong implementation of a traffic light. It is not a big deal and it is clear that the team charged with the implementation did something wrong. Anyway, regardless of whose fault here, let’s hope Ashghal at least learns from its mistake and takes the right actions in the future.

Simon
Simon
6 years ago
Reply to  The Reporter

You say that like it’s a bad thing!!

Pete
Pete
6 years ago
Reply to  Yacine

I know an expat traffic engineer who works for Ashgal. He often wonders why he gets paid because his advice is seldom taken.

Yacine
Yacine
6 years ago
Reply to  Pete

He must be one of those who suggested the cycling tracks near AlWaab or in AlThumama. If that is the case I understand why his ideas are ignored.

The Reporter
The Reporter
6 years ago
Reply to  Pete

ditto

DavidRSS8
DavidRSS8
6 years ago
Reply to  Pete

So people like Yacine can scapegoat him.

DavidRSS8
DavidRSS8
6 years ago
Reply to  Yacine

So are you planning to cheer the overpaid expat every time something goes right, or are they only relevant when you need a scapegoat on which to take out your own personal failures and frustrations?

And if some guy gets paid three times his normally salary to do a mediocre job, who’s the real idiot? Him or the guy who hired him and keeps him?

Yacine
Yacine
6 years ago
Reply to  DavidRSS8

No. They are hired to do a good job, not a bad or an average one. So there is no point cheering when they do a good job. That’s what they are for.

DavidRSS8
DavidRSS8
6 years ago
Reply to  Yacine

I think you’ve successfully summarized why you are not in upper management and appear bitter towards those who are advancing.

ShabinaKhatri
ShabinaKhatri
6 years ago
Reply to  Yacine

Deleting for irrelevance, and subsequent thread.

Yacine
Yacine
6 years ago
Reply to  ShabinaKhatri

So me talking about the poor performances of Ashghal and its expat workers is irrelevant, while the other down there is talking about apartments in Manhattan and you find it relevant? No comment?

qatari
qatari
6 years ago
Reply to  Yacine

you should know whats trendy & makes a good comment on DN
1-QATARIS & QATAR bashing
2-anti arab/muslim comments
use those you will be fine here

ShabinaKhatri
ShabinaKhatri
6 years ago
Reply to  Yacine

I didn’t delete all the Ashghal remarks.

MIMH
MIMH
6 years ago

Why anyone would want to live in the pearl is beyond me.

terracotta
terracotta
6 years ago
Reply to  MIMH

why doha news wants to report about the pearl is beyond me. 😛

MIMH
MIMH
6 years ago
Reply to  terracotta

Rich white people and their first world problems…..

A_qtr
A_qtr
6 years ago
Reply to  MIMH

smack down

ShabinaKhatri
ShabinaKhatri
6 years ago
Reply to  MIMH

Deleting for stereotyping

Red_Panigale
Red_Panigale
6 years ago
Reply to  MIMH

What gets me is that an apartment in the pearl costs about as much as one in Manhattan.

DavidRSS8
DavidRSS8
6 years ago
Reply to  Red_Panigale

The difference is that the housing cartel in Doha would be illegal in Manhattan.

Manhattan is (more or less) a free market. Doha is not. That’s why lots of foreigners will pay the premium to live in Manhattan, whereas very very very few will do so in Qatar.

Ibrahim Ali
Ibrahim Ali
6 years ago
Reply to  Red_Panigale

As someone who is going to live in NYC, Manhattan in few months for grad study, I know you’re lying.
Good apartments in downtown/midtown NYC cost 3500-5500 USD/month for small 1BD apartment. Definitely the pearl isn’t that expensive.

Red_Panigale
Red_Panigale
6 years ago
Reply to  Ibrahim Ali

I wasnt talking about rentals.

Ibrahim Ali
Ibrahim Ali
6 years ago
Reply to  Red_Panigale

you said an apartment in the pearl cost as much as one in Mnahattan, wth else could that mean?!

Huzz
Huzz
6 years ago
Reply to  Ibrahim Ali

My house costs more than his.
My rent costs more than his.

Either one.

Red_Panigale
Red_Panigale
6 years ago
Reply to  Ibrahim Ali

Cost as in to purchase. And I said “about as much”, not exactly as much.

Ibrahim Ali
Ibrahim Ali
6 years ago
Reply to  Red_Panigale

if we stretch the definition of “as much” to this scale, it losses all its meanings.

disillusioned
disillusioned
6 years ago
Reply to  Ibrahim Ali

You are pulling numbers out of your bum – see here: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-12/manhattan-studios-set-rent-record-as-tenants-go-small

“while (median) rents for one-bedrooms rose 9.4 percent to $3,400 (QR12,410),
both the highest in more than seven years of record-keeping.”

Median
is the exact middle of the price range. So no, the minimum is not
$3,500 as you claim. In fact, the article goes on to cite another report
finding that the average rent for a 1BR in Manhattan is $2,893 (QR
10,560).

Meanwhile, looking here https://www.propertyfinder.qa/search?l=1.56&q=&c=2&t=&rp=m&pf=&pt=&bf=1&bt=1&af=&at=

you will see that rents for 1BR in the Pearl range from QR11,000 –
QR17,000. Or in USD that’s $3,000 to $4,660. Most seem to be going for
around QR12,000 ($3,300)

So the claim that Pearl apartments are as expensive to rent as those in Manhattan are in fact accurate.

Good day

Ibrahim Ali
Ibrahim Ali
6 years ago
Reply to  disillusioned

Perhaps your brain is located inside your bum to think like that. I said “Good apartment,” I’m not comparing median prices for Qatar and Manhattan and it is idiotic to compare Pearl vs NYC median as they are not on the same par.

Yacine
Yacine
6 years ago
Reply to  Red_Panigale

Hey @ShabinaKhatri:disqus by your logic how is this relevant?

Aussieinthesand
Aussieinthesand
6 years ago
Reply to  MIMH

It is 5 degrees cooler the moment you get onto The Pearl, it has lot’s of water around it, it has lot’s of green space, it has little dust (except that which blows in), it’s kept very clean, I don’t have to pay for it….

Yacine
Yacine
6 years ago

The only meaningful reason is the last one…

Aussieinthesand
Aussieinthesand
6 years ago
Reply to  Yacine

Not really, I had the choice between a 3 story, 6 bedroom, 6 bathroom villa in the dust or a 3 bedroom, 3 bathroom apartment on The Pearl surrounded by water – I chose to be near the water.

It really is much nicer.

Ali
Ali
6 years ago

I think Yacine is pointing out that you wouldn’t have to pay for that 3 story villa either.

KK
KK
6 years ago

Why don’t they learn from traffic authority in Abu Dhabi or Dubai?

Peaches
Peaches
6 years ago

I think the traffic problem remains unfixed because Ashghal hasn’t employed me as CEO of roads. The first thing I would do is remove the Qataris who spend their time circling roundabouts as if its a hobby. Especially the mini roundabout in the Pearl near Nandos and Novo cinemas. If I got 1 riyal for every time I saw the same car driving in circles I would own a Rolls Royce by now with a license plate number of 1000. I would reduce the size of the remaining roundabouts which are so big the entire road is a roundabout island. Then I would remove all the people who cannot drive, so that would leave maybe 10 cars on the road. Traffic problem solved.

Sarcasim
Sarcasim
6 years ago
Reply to  Peaches

It’s the Qataris every single time. When will they understand!

Yacine
Yacine
6 years ago
Reply to  Peaches

Genius. I wonder how the Japanese Ashghal hasn’t hired you yet.

ShabinaKhatri
ShabinaKhatri
6 years ago
Reply to  Peaches

Deleting for stereotyping.

Masboro
Masboro
6 years ago

I will tell you why my wife and I live in the Pearl, because there is a sense of community within our tower and you can walk to all of the ‘day to day’ things you may need. Of course it has issues, but the noise from the traffic has improved dramatically in the last 2 years since we moved in.
As regards the traffic issue, I have seen plenty of problems when new traffic lights are installed in many parts of the world. What will be interesting is how long it takes for the problem to be resolved.

Yacine
Yacine
6 years ago
Reply to  Masboro

Everyone can come up with reasons that might sounds logical/compelling when it comes to living in the Pearl. The point is, it remains a poor idea and a huge waste of money. The sense of community, the possibility to walk and all that bla bla is meaningless. You are lying to yourself and the real reason is that you want to say in front of your friends and colleagues that you live in the Pearl!
It is all about showing off eventually!

terracotta
terracotta
6 years ago
Reply to  Yacine

why the prejudice?

DavidRSS8
DavidRSS8
6 years ago
Reply to  terracotta

Jealousy. Also very angry about fellow expats being paid more.

Yacine
Yacine
6 years ago
Reply to  DavidRSS8

You are funny 🙂

Paul
Paul
6 years ago
Reply to  Yacine

How about the fact that it’s actually the only place in Qatar where you can actually WALK out of your flat and not be hit (immediately..) by a car?
I bet you that most people living in the Pearl don’t want Luxury but Normal.

R.D.H
R.D.H
6 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Exactly this

Transcension
Transcension
6 years ago
Reply to  Yacine

“remains a poor idea and a huge waste of money” is YOUR opinion. Everyone has THEIR opinions on living in the Pearl, and what YOU think (or in this case, your rationale) does not necessarily apply to what OTHERS think.

To put it in perspective, a deprived man may consider buying a car as a “huge waste of money” when compared to his income. Does that necessitate YOU, a car owner, to think within the same rationale? By all means this does not imply me calling anyone poor; it is merely to demonstrate the point that everyone’s rationale will vary, yet that shouldn’t be a reason to judge others.

Besides, even IF Masboro lived in the Pearl to show off, that is with his own earned income to which you have no rights to dictate on what purpose he will be spending it on.

Yacine
Yacine
6 years ago
Reply to  Transcension

I think you are bit off-mark here. Nobody is debating people’s right to live wherever they want and spend their money as they wish. We’ve had the story of locals spending a ton of money on vanity number plates, and I had a similar opinion on it. You can live wherever you want, but you cannot prevent me from having the opinion that the place you live in is a shithole.

Marco
Marco
6 years ago

Finally that awful roundabout has gone. No doubt it’s the Qataris who are complaining because now they have to sit and wait like the rest of us and can no longer bully their way across the roundabout like they used to. It’s so much safer now, so good riddance!

Yacine
Yacine
6 years ago
Reply to  Marco

Just when I thought there wouldn’t be anymore stupid comments!

ShabinaKhatri
ShabinaKhatri
6 years ago
Reply to  Marco

Deleting for stereotyping.

SokhnaFan2010
SokhnaFan2010
6 years ago

I wonder how many cars missed the new left hand feeder lane at Katara and then got caught not being able to turn left until they went all the way to the pearl, up around and back again……… Ashgal please, if you read these comments, a simple sign 300m before, say by the Exhibition center would have been useful for us newbies, saying “Warning stay left for Duhail and Qatar University”. On a cheerful, non-racial, non- stereotypical footnote, Shabina seems to be busier editing than ever…………

Scarletti
Scarletti
6 years ago

horror story – but until Ashghal stop sweeping up the guys who just manage for a living instead of employing those who do and are accountable – you will always get second rate strategies and proposals

Paul
Paul
6 years ago

Whoever is responsible for making this chaos (expat or Qatari) failed. ONE LOOK at the intersection’s map says enough: a spaghetti of roads (in 3D).

greylag
greylag
6 years ago

Goes back to a previous discussion a couple months back. Pearl is one way in- one way out. The more residents they get, the worse the traffic will be. Simple volume logic.

Saffa
Saffa
6 years ago

Interesting… everyone blaming everyone else for the issue, except themselves. Drive properly, obey the road rules, don’t block the effing intersection! This weekend the police had to close the roundabouts, and be present to keep people clear of the intersections.

I will give it, the timing of the lights (phasing) could do with some work, but like all lights in this country the phases are incredibly long so people sit and look at their phones.

The slip lane towards QU from Lagoona / TPQ could be longer so the traffic that way could filter out without getting stuck in the red phase. The 3 lanes to 2 lanes just where Lagoona flow joins before Diplomatic Club R/A is ridiculous, but evident all over Doha Roads. The 3 Lane turn from QU direction to TPQ that immediately goes to 2 lanes is likewise ridiculous.

As some have said, signage could be greatly improved, but I don’t think it helps when everyone is in the wrong lane to start with and looking at their bloody phones all the time (pet peeve!).

But over all of this remember this is a temporary road alignment as the roadworks progress, so it will change. Hyundai (the road contractor), CDM Smith (Supervision Consultant?) and Ashghal are doing a good job in a congested construction area (Metro/LRT + Lusail Expressway). Be thankful it’s 2 lanes and not just 1!

Final comment: Us as drivers have just one task: Driving. Do that and leave the phone in the pocket / handbag, concentrate on the road and select the correct lane for where you want to go, be considerate and it’ll all go smoother. All the “f*ck you, me first” driving attitude gets us all no-where fast.

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